Religious Tolerance Overrated? {political Correction}.
I've been thinking that what most people think of as "Religious Tolerance" in our pop culture today is really Politically Correct Bigotry and ignorance.
The fact is that very few "Religiuos Tolerance' advocates are scholars of the faiths they defend, nor do they truly know the religion. Most just take the words of the Religions/faiths adherents{or liberal apologizers} at face value w/out any logical discrimination or study of said faiths; those that DO study, study from the perspective of defending the faiths rather than truly studying the inner workings, the inner core doctrines, the true character of the faiths founders{prophets/etc}, the cultural and historical contexts of their scriptures nor the semantic meanigns w/in those contexts of variuos words and whatnot w/in their scriptures. Most take for granted the reality and most just accept the popular addage that 'all religions/faiths are equal and have similar core beliefs"{NOTHING could be further from the truth, this is a ideology that is strongly erroneous and dangerous to the core}.
I have tackled the Judeo-Christianity faith many times, and the Bible; exposing{along w/many others the core and character of it's Book, it's poor apologetics and pseudo-sciences, and it's insane and cruel founders}, I amongst many other apostates and other people who've studied have exposed this faith and it's dangers and lies; all attempts to defend it from us and accuse us of "intolerance" are weak and hypocritical.
I tend to trust the studies of apostates of faiths these days. Because the strongest apostes are usually people whove had the most dedication to said faiths and have done the most thourough studies{unless thay have become a part of another absolutist revealed faith, say leave Islam and became Christian, or visa versa}, No one of us has done this and come to uor conclusions because we want to, it is not psychollically or emotionally easy to analzyse and critisize your own faith like that, it causes more pain than you can imagine, but it can reap huge reards in the end to do so. So, we are not intolerant bigots or PREjudiced, we never wanted to lose faith, it's just that the reality of the contradictions,the cruelties and hypocrisies,etc, just became to overwhelming to ignore or minimalize.
I'm now reading through sites of former Islamicists{note that word, there is a big difference between "Islamic" and "Muslim", the wo words are different, "Islam" is a faith, "Muslim" is a culture/race or people}. The points they make, though contested by still devoted Islamicists, still often are agreed upon by those Islamicists{at least the well studied ones}though excuses for the things exposed are prominent. These former Islamicists having stdued deeply there own Scriptures{the Quran and Hadith} and other Islamic writings and other fields of knowledge; no for a fact that the "Prophet"{Muhammad} was a cruel and tyrannical murderer,theive,rapist,war-monger,etc. They also know that he had alot of wives and concubines and that his favorite was when he wa sin his 50's and she was around 6 when he asked for her hand in marriage and 9 when he consummated that marriage w/her{and further study reveals that she was not some super duper extra physically or mentally/emotionally mature child, she was like any other, perhaps more childish} and the time when he first decided he wanted her was when she was around 4-5. He was known to brutalize unbeleivers and to not obey the same laws he set out{such as the fact that he said the men could have only about 4 wives, whilst he had more than that}. He was known to have been a war tyrant, to have brutalized other people,etc. The Prophet "piss be upon him" was not much better than Judeo-christianities tyranys David,Moses, and others; and he was a hypocrite like the synoptic gospels Jesus Christ; allthough jesus had one up on this guy, Jesus did'nt rape little girls, have a bunch of wives and concubines, and he was a rataher pacifist and peaceable man{though he did set up laws he never fully obeyed and he did disobey parts of the Torah Law he considered irrelevant or an inconvenience}.
{Experts in Islam, an ex-islamics site} http://www.faithfreedom.org/
Apostates of Islam= http://www.apostatesofislam.com/
Muhammad the child molester/rapisthttp://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352728&TOCID=2083225348
"How to speak to politically correct Bigots"http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina51021.htm
"you quote the Quran out of Context"http://www.faithfreedom.org/faq/70.htm
"Does Islam contain the golden rule"http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/BrianMacker51014.htm
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
You've heard me drone on about Christianties faults before; the tyranny of Moses{Yahwehs great prophet} and David{a man after gods own heart},etc. The womanizing of Solomon and David. The cruel hypocrisy of Lot. The Inconsistencies and hypocrisies and cruelties and contradictions throughout the Babble..er..Bible, the cruel violence and misognyny of Jehovah, Jesus cult hypocrisy. the Poor modern apologetics and pseudo-sciences. the irrational and excessive fear and guilt behind this faiths doctrines{even taught by Christ himself}. The genocide,infanticidemrape,war crimes, torture comamnded by Biblegod and done by biblegod in the scriptures,etc. I could go on and On.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
http://www.evilbible.com/
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
http://exchristian.net/archived.php
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.html
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm
I am aware that there is cruel and horrible shit in every ancient faith and it's founders{though I'm not too aware of anything in Budda and his philosophy, but I plan on finding out}, there are absurdities in modern religions and philosophies that could be pointed out as well; though many of them, not beeing of an "absolutist" nature or core founding, don't really need the same attack, but that does'nt mean they should not getting any challenges or exposings, just less important since they do not operate on a supposed divine mandate from the Universes Creator{or claim to}. The 3 Abrahamic religions pose special problems most faiths and religions don't since they have a 'one true god' concept and believe their scriptures to be "Gods true word", they ahve always had a special power hunger others have'nt as as much of.
My issue is this; I believe in religious "tolerance", but that term has come to mean "acceptance of" in our culture, it has come to mean politcally correct ass-kissing, which we do at our own peril. Even many well-meaning but ignorant faithless people jump on this politically correct bandwagon like sheep w/out truly thinking it throughh or knowing what exactly they are indeed defending. More times than makes me comfortable as an ethical human beeing I have seen faithless people and liberal pagans,etc{historically demonized and oppressed by these people; and are still to this day}jump to the defense of the Monotheists and the faithful when truly tolerant people such as myself{I'm not the only one} whom are tolerant of ALL religions and irreligions, so much so that we we wish to go after the few faiths that have the most cruelty/atrocity/absurdity/fear and guilt pushe donto children/intolerance towards ALL others-including sects of their own and expose their dangerous beliefs, we do it non-violently and yet w/tenacity and bluntness; yet we are the ones called "intolerant"-HOW ABSURD. Would you call the anti-racist or the anti-white supremacy person who speaks bluntly against the racist beleifs of such racists "intolerant"-I HIGHLY DOUBT IT!!! These few faiths are no better and in fact are just as bad, if not worse. For some reason "faith" and particularly the Abrahamic faiths are "untouchable"/"taboo". In some cases, hypocritical liberal leftist/proclaimers of "tolerance" go after Christianity w/tenacity and yet defend Islam{because it is politically and socially popular do to so since 9/11; again-political correction}-utterly hypocritical. You fools, do you not know that the Quran and Hadith are just as cruel and absurd and their prophet just as tyranical as that of the Judeo-Christian faiths and scriptures, do you not realize that the same tyranny you fear from the North American religiuos right RULES in much of the Muslim world in Islam?
When someone bad mouths the way that fundamentlaist Christians or Islamicists according to their "holy books" treat their women and children, ie:Islamic womens shrouds,etc, -these politically correct hypocrites defend the practice and they find the very few Islamic woman in the west whom are idiotic enough to defend their oppression, they see the many women is Islamic countires and homes whom say it is their right to wear it and it is part of their beliefs; do you not realize that most of these woman do this under social/political pressure from their religious leaders/families/politicians/etc whom guilt and fear them into it, that it is done because the social ramifications of beeing outcasts in their countires or communities or amongst their families and loved,oes and religiuos communitties,et,c are overwhelming {not too mention the threat of violence for beeing disobedient, even in questioning why they wear them}-and not to mention that a Loving Allah will make sure they are punished maybe even damned if they do not obey the doctrine/command, the psychollogical fear is overwhelming, so yeah-they publicly defend the practce, and yet way too many live in hidden shame and guilt and fear and hate the repression, but can do little or nothing about it. There are similar practices and beleifs and doctrines amongst Jews and Christians and in the Bible/Torah. Women have always been treated horrible by these faiths, their scriptures either make them slaves or second class citizens-and at the sanctioning of their tribal Deities. I am disturbed when so many so-called freethinkers are to politically correct to condemn this unethical,cruel, and hypocritical crap!!! I was reading on a Ex-Islamic site {faithfreedom.org} a letter written from a Pakistani Islamic girl/woman whom is still Islamic but expressed the tyranny she and other women are under{and yet she defended her faith; that's what indoctrination does people} and showed utter confusion. The author of the site replied w/compassion and yet anger at the faith and expresed their sorrow for her and others and said it brought them to tears. This is the shit that the politically correct defend.
I'll tell ya something. I've not yet read the entire Quran, but what I have read bothers me, and what I've heard of the Hadith{the sayings of Muhammad} disturbs me to the core. As far as the Bible and Christianity goes, I tell all people who've not been devoted orthodox christians yet whom are faithless freethinkers or just liberal freethinkers in general whom get mad at me for my exposings of the faith and Bible{I've had many do it, even get this-a few atheists and satanists}-you are ignorant, you do not know the ins and outs of this faith as I {and other aposates} do, you cannot comprehend, you have not studied these cruel ideas and commands w/in the "Good book", you know little or nothing, so please-before you attack us/me for defending YOU and ourselves against the thousands of years of tyranny under these horribel,unethical,cruel, fear and guilt induced, dangerous faiths, keep this in mind. And to you apostates whom are too politically correct,timid,etc, to join us-please at least silently agree w/us, you know well the dangers of these faiths, others of you left before you knew it all that well{as well as some of the rest of us}. It is the faiths we go after that are the truly "intolerant","PREJudiced","rude","insensitive",etc, and you know this damn well; so please think twice before thinking or calling us those accusations. We KNOW what we are talking about. Would you question Stephen Hawkings ideas on quantum physics or whatever-NO!!! He is an expert in his field, as are we in ours. So, when you want to call us those things or call us bigoted,etc, think about it, WHOM truly is such. It is these faiths, AND you whom jump on the politically correct bandwagon defend them so ignorantly and mindlessly.
I believe in "religious tolerance", but not the kind that is passed off these days in our culture, that is not "religiuos tolerance' it is blind and bigoted, it is sheep mentality, it is a flowery unrealistic view based in ignorance, it is naevety and gullibility at it's worst. Beeing tolerant of people whom ahve certain beleifs{not harming them or blidly hating them} is not the same as kissing their asses and defending their faiths themselves and beeing too stupid,ignorant,timid,politically correct to speak out the facts and truths about these faiths.
I grow weary{as do the others like me} of the incessant,midless attacks we get from those we are fighting on behalf of. Ingrates,traitors to true equality,free-thought,fact and REASON. I make no apologies for saying such things, because those I'm calling these things have made no apologies for attacking us. I had the last straw recently when I wrote a letter to the newspaper editor about how "God' should be taken out of the secular democratic charter/constitution and anthems of western democracy, because one view of the divien{monotheistic} should not be given extra favor over others; in that letter I defended the rights of and exposed the subjugation and persecution of others views such as pantheisms,polytheisms,deisms,etc, and above all of Atheists and Agnostics{whom get the heaviest persecution,subjugation,repression,demonization,and/or downright ignored,etc}-I shared it w/some friends my email before It got printed, one of thsoe friends-an atheistic satanist tore into me like a pitbull, accused me off beeing overly emotional in the letter{even "if" I was, it's w/damn good reason and backed up by evidence/facts}-yet the entire time this individual tore into me w/strong emotion{which this person hypocritically accused my letter of}I sat there and reaoned and stayed calm and debated rationally. I've heard rumor and have gotten the sense that this person is STILL mad a week later{I walked away from that debate shocked more than angry}-I never held any seriuos anger against this person after the debate, it was A DEBATE, and that is all. But after all this, I am angry and offended, I was defending atheists like this person against the oppression, and this satanic atheist got after me for dooing so, I just don't get it. Furthermore I told some friends about this and asked their opinions, one idiot ex-best friend of mine agreed w/this person about my letter; I gave them both the benefit of the doubt and went back over my letter to see if it was unreasonable-NOPE, IT WAS'NT!!! Another politically correct sheep exposed.
The ideological battle people like myself fight is to save humanity from the destruction that will come at the hands of these types of absolutist faiths. The politically correct herds defense of them will only lead to eventual demise, and the defense is base din utter naievety, people of reason have been fighting this battle for thousands of years, and yet we see a resurgence in these faiths followers trying to destroy all that we've worked for and all the positive and equal things that we've wrought, hiatory repeats itself and the dangerous cycle continues. It's time to evolve past this stuff people, to quit the de-evolutionary tendencies that we're creating by beleiving these things or defending them.
If we cannot even non-violently but verbally agressively speak against these beliefs, then what freedom do we have. Why is that we-the faithless don't get the same freedom and equality that those of faith[especially the very wealthy,powerful and dangerous Abrahamic faiths] have? The absurdity is astronimical!!!
We KNOW for a fact through study of all fields of knowledge{psysical and social sciences, as wellas history,mythology,semantics,etc,etc,etc} that these faiths are faery tales; and it's funny because it's perfectly fine to refer to smaller religions of the past that have few followers andmote as "myth' or "faery tales" {ie:Greek/Roman myhtology, Norse mythology, pagan faery tales/myths,Sumerian mythology, Egyptian mythology,etc,etc}and you can point out how horrible or hyporcritical those deities or their prophets were, yet call the faiths that retain higher numbers of adhernts the same thing and you are now "intolerant',"prejudiced","insensirive", when those faith have no more evidence in their favors, why this hypocrisy and absurdity???
Why is faith and particurly these few faiths I mentioned{Christianity,Islam,Judaism} so untouchable, so special??? What absurd philosophy makes them so? We have no problem pointing out the absurdity and/or cruelty of other ancient myhs. Would we react as nicely to the idea presented to us that we can at will jump off a building anf fly, or that we can throw our child off a building anf fly when we know factually that gravity will make us or our children fall to a gruesome death? Why should we apply different logic or standrads to faiths? Why should we not react w/the same doubt, and even the same repulsion against the popular idea presented that God is male and incarnated himself to sacrifice himself to himself to appease his own anger at us beeing the way he made us to be and then came back to life and floate dinto the sky phsically, or the idea that a child molesting,ciminal and misogynist war mongerering bigot recieved gods word from an an angel{which obviuosly this god knew nothjing of the fact that many of his commands and claims wpould be some day disproven by his own natural laws}! Why should we condemn Hilter for having so many jews tortured and killed and yet ignore the massive cruelty in the laws of the Torah/Bible and Quran; why should we condmen him and yet Defend Moses,David or Muhammmad? Why should we allow the bigoted christians and muslims to attack gays and maybe even be gay and join the faith{what self-hating person would join a religion which thinks so lowly of them? just because they are deciding to abandon most of it and only follow the lifestyle of Jesus whom commanded obedience to the letter of the law of Moses and commanded shit liek self-mutilation and himself beleived in that tyrant god and in the idea of an eternal hell torture, what the fuck!!!???, because they like a few of the things he said or did-or is said to have said or did; why be subtle worshipper sof him then, there were plnety of people before,during and after him whom, said and did similar things and did so w/out the hypocrisies of the other teachings you ignore???} why should they be allowed to get away w/tha and with calling men like Lot{whom was willing to let his daughters be gang raped to protect two angels whom looked like adult male strangers}or Moses{whom commanded so much cruelty and at the supposed command of his God}or Muhammad and his sicknesses.
What is this world coming to? Why do we abandon reason for such absurdities and cruelties and why do we the non-faithful or liberal faithful defend these religions and their beeing taought to innocent little children from birth??? That is abuse, and should be treated as abuse by law!!! Let idiot adults legally beleive whatever abusridies they wish, but not let little children get indotrinated w/such destructive and psychollocgially harmful crap!!! Would we be ok if someone called their kid stupid ona regualr absis which encourages them to go and tell other kids that they are stupid w/out just cause creating disunity? Probably not, most of us would cringe if we saw an adult call a child stupid or ugly,etc{even if it was technically true}, and yet we are perfectly ok w/the fact that billions of people tell their children from birth that they are sinful and evil by nature{tell a kid something enought times and they WILL become it}and they tell their children to go out and tlel other childrne this, or perhaps they share this beleif w/their childrens friends too or children theys ee around{perhaps througha faith-based charity} teaching them how worthless,sinful and evil they are and that they will go to hell forever unless they beleiv ein the loving God whom sacrificed himself to himself to appease his own anger at his own creation that he created that way. If anyone tells my child this{or even implies it by the sharing fof such a absurd faith system} I will smack them silly! If you have children or plan on it, think about the fact that "if" you don't speak out against such crap, that your child will be exposed to it and heavily{because these faiths are huge and favored} and your child may become a follower of such dangerous ideas irregardless of how you raise them in reason and they in turn will do that to their children and the cycle of dangerous beliefs will end up leading to a third world war.
Obviuosly as people of reason all we can do is peak out against thrse faiths and subvert their unfair huge degree of propogation in our culture and on our children. But the worst thing we can do is mistake "political correction" for "Tolerance".
What makes these absurd religiuons so damn sacred and untouchable, over all other views. What makes them worthy of any kind of respect at all? Certainly they DO NOT treat us all w/the same consideration or respect they demand or that politically correct slaves give these-their persecuters.
As Philosopher Christopher Hitchens once said "anything that can be asserted w/out evidence can be dismissed w/out evidence". Who says we have to tolerate and be nice about their beleifs? Sure we should treat the individual w/human dignity, but that does'nt mean beeing all "oh, whatever, that's nice" about their beliefs themselves. That kinda passivity will only hurt humanity. Beeing tolerant and compasisonate and open minded does not mean beeing fucking stupid and ass-kissing!!!
I'd like to suggest a reading of Thomas Paines-"Age Of Reason" http://www.ushistory.org/paine/reason/ , or Sam Harris's "The End of Faith; religion,terror, and the future of reason" http://www.samharris.org/ . There are also great books from former memberrs of the Christian and Islamic faiths, amongst others, that expose these faiths. There are also books that basically just show faith itself to be dangerous and useless to us in this day and age and for our future.
That said, I finish up this essay{or rant} and ask people to seriuosly consider this stuff and to check out some of thsoe links I provided.. I know well that I will be alienated by some people, some will want little to nothing to do w/me{including som of whom I fight on behalf of; the faithless,atheists/agnostics/etc, liberal pagans, liberal faithists,etc}-this is a risk I am willing to face. I simply cannot remain silent just because of the social repercussions. On that, I'd like to Note that it is my belief that spirituality and religion are not harmful in and of themselves, just absolutes and revealed religions. I am a member of the Universist movement { http://www.universist.org/ http://www.faithless.org/ } and I also like to delve into occult philosophy and some pagan mythology{the latter merely just for fun}, I apprciate religions and faiths like Buddhism or Taoism-they lack absolutes and elitism, their founders also did not teach the cruelties taught in the faiths I expose; and I consider myself somewhat spiritual and deeply plilosophical and open minded{I bounce back and forth between Deistic,Pantheistic,PanenDeistic beliefs about the nature of this Universe and of the possible or probable divine/deity/etc;}-though I am skeptical and approach all from a agnostic beginnign point and a Universist/Uncertainist methodology. So, I am not attacking religiona nd spirituality themselves, I challege faith itself{but do not condemn all}-my condemnation as any logcial persons condemnation should be, is directed towards absolutist faiths, and w/good reason and strong evidence and facts. Just so I'm not misconstrued as closed minded or arrogant.
I leave you, friends, to contemplate the philosophy I spoke, To examine the facts for yourselves, and to question your motives for defending these faiths and either ignoring or even ripping us whom do the exposing to shreds{if you are amongst those that do so}.I leave you to Consider the wisdom of the words of us open minded rationalists, us lovers of equality and liberty and haters of injustice,cruelty, and hypocrisy. But I also inform you that some of us, mysrlf for one, are losing pateince w/the exchanging ot "religious tolerance'" into "political correction' and ignorant,naeive, herd mentality, unrealistic butt-kissing. This political corrction has perhaps become the new "absolute"
Thank you for your patience,time, and consideration;
Your friend and friendly neighborhood Iconoclast
In Reason:
The Very Irreverand Bill Baker
Labels: Anti-Theism, Atheism, Deism, Faith, Hitchens, Intolerance, Paine, Political Correction, Reason, Religious Tolerance
16 Comments:
Bill, while I agree with PC being overrated and in fact not allowing for proper debate and argument to take place, I was a bit disappointed with your sources and how you seemed to imply that these sources were a representations of what Islamicists believe. In fact every single site seems to be encouraging people to leave the religion. How can I take that as authentic and true information?
Certainly there are huge problems with the muslim community in this country and around the world that need to be dealt with. Especially the treatment and role of women. Just as there were problems with Catholicism prior to the Protestant Reformation. But that doesn't mean Islam is a religion of evil. It means the way its being used is. Unfortunately we are living in a world with over 1 billion muslims. You can either tell them their religion is evil and start the battle royale or you can encourage them to change their practices. Labeling the Koran or Mohammed evil gets us nowhere.
Greetings Trashcan.
Thanks for the response to me article/rant. I appreciate the feedback, I don't seem to get alot of it, so any is good to recieve.
Are you Islamic?
Are you Muslim?
One of the biggest problesm facing the Muslim community is the perception that is propogated{often by themselves even, whether purposefully or by accident} that "Muslim" and "Islamic" mean the same thing essentially.
They no more mean the same than "Oriental" and "Buddhist".
Muslim{as I said in the post} is a people/culture/race/etc
Islam is a religion/faith.
One can be one and not the other.
The sources I sited, since I am not myself an expert on the religion itself, are from reliable sources. The sources are ex-islamicists-most of them are Muslim as well. These are people whom have studied the faith/religion and culture much more deeply than your average Muslim or Islamic person or any apologizers of or for the religion{whether Muslims/Islamics themselves or not}.
Another problem is that so many tend to in apologizing for the faith- cherry pick the few nicer sounding verses in the Quran about peace and brotherhood,etc, ignoring their contexts of referring only to follower sof Islam. Whilst they ignore most of the rest and ignore most of if not all of the Hadith. So you get pseudo-Islamics whom know nothing or litel of the origins of this faith or of the character of it's founder, nor do they even know much more about their own holy books{quran and hadith} than most non-islamics, and they perpetuate half truths about the faith, the books, the doctrines and wordings, the practices, and about ther prophet.
This is what most Christins today do too with their faith. Neither is obedeitn to their faoth or their god, they pay lip service or mix and match the religions ideas w/other religions, and what they do is make something dangerous seem as if it's benign and then eventuially someone actually truly studies and then becomes what is called a false Islamic or extremist by them when in fact those people follow Muhammads commands much more obediently, the same is true for the so-called "extremist" judeo-christians.
The treatment and role of females is marked out in the Quran and Hadith, and ast these ex-islamic muslims whom created those sites point out, they are not fair,just, or nice. And any attempt to ignore that just ignores commands suppoedly from Allah, making the liberal muslim not an Islamic person, but more akin to secular humanist or rationalist or pagan or maybe even Buddhist or something-yet frantically and irrationally holding onto paying lip service to the faith and god itself of Islam out of a remaining fear{which according to the scriptures, they are damned merely for diluting the Prophets mesaage anyways}.
Now, I never said Islam{or Christianity or Judaism} were religions of "EVIL". Becayse "evil" is a temr used for absolutes and universalities, and there is no such thing as those. But Islam{like the other two Abrhamic faiths} has at it's core no redeeming values of itself, those values it may share w/lesser dangerous faiths or other dangerous faiths are values that can be arrived at purely by huamn reasoning on what is most practcial and safe for the most people and need no religious/faith attachments for such, those values are completely sperate from wehat makes Islam{or judaism or christianity,etc] the unique religion it is{they are} of itself{of themselves}.
You do have a good pint about otlerating liberal islamics as people and giving them the benefit of the doubt as individuals, but their faith is not needed for that.
The faith does indeed pose a unique threat.
again w/the e"evil", it is a temr that has no useful meaning.
But, I will use it to here to make a comparison;
Lets take Muhammad for example; labelling him evil,bad,dangerous,a vile character is truth. It is not prejudice. Should we stop labelling Hilter that way so that and pretend he was a good guy so that we can cause Nazis{whose philosophy is not bad, just needs reformation}to become a little less malevolent or harmful. Ignoring the harmful and vile character if a person in history is irrational and unfair to thsoe they victimized. We should'nt do it w/Muhammad any more than w/Hitler or Charles Manson or any other perpetrator of injustice,cruelty, and hypocrisy.
Should we sit back and pretend that the Quran or Bible are "good books of moral teachings" and ignore the rest of what's in there anymore than taking the writing of a pedophile whom advocated pedophilia in their writings or the writings of racists{say Hitlers Mein Kamph} and dooing the same and proclaiming those books and their philosophie sok-except for over 50% of what they wrote. That's just absurd! Now the Quran and Bible are useful books to study the psychology of certain peoples and history surrounding them,etc, just as sau Hitlers Mein Kamph is, but that does not mean we should not proclaim the majority of the idea sin any of thsoe books what they are-DANGEROUS and cruel and hypocritical to the core.
I encourage you to further study those sites I linked in the article, done by Muslims whom are former Islamics.
www.faithfreedom.org
www.apostatesofislam.com
and the links to the direct artciles I directly linked too from those sites.
As I mentioned I am not an expert in the Islamic faith myself, though I am in Judeo-Christianity; which is why I say little person about the faith except what I've learned from these experts{though I have read part of the Quran and it was distubing to my humanistic ideals/ethics}.Which is why I suggst you look more through those experts sites.
Thank you for your time and for reading the article and this post response; and I thank you for sharing your thoughts, I appreciate it.
Peace
In reason:
The very Irrev.Bill Baker
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Thanks again for your interest.
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Hey Bill, your "project" is based mainly in Manitoba, correct? I read the one about Brandon and Winkler (july 2005). I figured I'd give my thoughts on that here.
Now I don't know how much history you are familiar with, but southcentral Manitoba was settled by Mennonites under specific religious terms, such as exemption from war; and therefore this was originally the Mennonite's land. They settled it, they made it work, and the only reason the land prospered at all is because of them. You would have to be stupid to think that there wasn't a sense of ownership among these very "fundamentalist" Christians. You must realize that, up until a few decades ago, when public schooling was introduced, the farmers especially were all pure Mennonites and Hutterites, and that the thought of welcoming foreigners with other religions was absurd. The infiltration and indoctrination of other religions is the real tragedy.
Your crusade may give you a fleeting purpose in life, and I couldn't care less what your project does, but don't pretend it's the "reasonable" view.
I can see why you haven't posted to this poor lost site in 5 months or so.
Lost your religion, aye?
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Universism is DEAD (and there's no afterlife)
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Richard Quick Expose Topples Universist Movement in 10 Days
Millionaire’s stinging words prompt Founder's resignation in 1 day
RICHARD QUICK ESTATE, PA – March 31, 2006
While many love to make the comparison, Millionaire Richard Quick, Esq. waves it off with a laugh. “I am NOT God,” says the modest, highly celebrated self-made man. “Not even A God, at least one of the major deities. The Lord created the world in only six days. All I did was expose and topple a religious leader in one day and a fraudulent religious movement in 10 days. Granted, I was maintaining a multi-national, multibillion-dollar enterprise concurrently. But, I repeat, I am not a major deity.”
Many would beg to differ. The Universist Movement seemed to be growing by leaps and bounds, attracting many of the crew members of the Hollywood elite and rankling the feathers of established relious elite. Yet Richard Quick, Esq., on a crusade to eliminate the lost productivity of office workers spending time on anti-success and charlatan websites while at work, identified and exposed the site Universist.Org as one of the worst. He added Universist.Org to his list Richard Quick’s All-Time worst Loser time-Wasting Loser sites on March, 12. Within 24 hours, the founder stepped down. Within ten days, the “Movement” had been flushed into the waters of the pipeline of appropriately forgotten ideas.
Here’s the time line for the Universist.Org End-of-Days Non-rapture
3/12/06. Quick posts his scathing commentary in an expose on his Get Rich Quick! Blog a http://richardquick.blogspot.com: “Talk about needing a sist removed! Universist.Org consists of pretentious self-important elitist liberal arts losers playing dress-up with pagan wiccan lesbo costumes found in the dumpster outside of real religions. Hey, let's create a religion based on what we don't believe! That way the boring pseudo-views we spew over Starbuck's lattes can't be challenged for the vapid drivel it is.”
3/12/06 Quick receives a stinging rebuke and threatening email from Universist founder Ford Vox. This prompts a heated email exchange between Ford Vox and Millionaire Richard Quick, Esq. It’s clear that Quick hit a nerve.
3/13/06 An email is sent to the Universist membership entitled “A New Dawn” which says: “…founder Ford Vox has chosen to step down to an advisory role.” The inner tumult was attributed to “…a rift that was created by… a difference of opinion between forum management and a member.” Unnamed sources have identified the “member” as Richard Quick, Esq.
3/20/06 With the organization reeling, administrator Roy Frank Tottie sends an email entitled “Urgent Request, Your Testimony Requested” to all members, making a desperate attempt to curtail member-to-member email contact to keep the further disintegration of this pseudogroup caused by Richard Quick’s prophetic words.
3/22/06 Roy Frank Tottie follows up with a tear-soaked, sappy email which reads, in part: “Effective Friday, March 24th the Universist.com Forum will be closing for good… fuck it all… the time for fighting is over.” In honesty rare for this group, Tottie admits that Richard Quick, Esq. was right by stating that Universism “…is NOTHING! A game. A fantasy.”
In a press conference later that week, Richard Quick, Esq. again put it best: “Never underestimate the power of a millionaire's criticism. Days after I exposed the so-called Universist Movement a leftist, lesbo hoax, and a ludicrous joke, and added their inane forum to the revered list Richard Quick's Top Time-Wasting Loser Sites, guess what? The forum officially shut down in embarrassment and defeat, and the "Movement" seems to have reached up from its own toilet bowl and pulled the flusher in shame and remorse. Certain movements are best flushed and forgotten. Beware the wrath of Millionaire Richard Quick, Esq.!”
Truer words have never been spoken. When Richard Quick, Esq. speaks, charlatans and posers flee in terror!
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For more information, contact Richard Quick, Esq. at Richardquickesq@yahoo.com or post a comment at www.Richardquick.blogspot.com.
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